Response to Camille

Camille Paglia Discusses Her War on ‘Elitist Garbage’ and Contemporary Feminism by Mitchell Sunderland MAR 14 2017 3:20 PM

Camille, you do cover a lot of ground – from feminism to post-structuralism via a bit of pornography.  Or maybe that was Mitchell’s navigation via the questions he asked.  Anyways, as a good feminist you are used to charting your own course – obviously.

But a little concerned at your mention about the ‘men bashing’ of the ‘second wave’.  Camille, you do rather ‘other’ women when you say “They admired what men had done and simply demanded the opportunity to show that women could match or surpass it”. Don’t you believe that WE the women can think of unique things to do; without and aside from only being measured on what men have achieved?  Seems not, as you complain that

             “only a tiny number of women want to enter the trades where most of the nitty-gritty physical work is actually going on—plumbing, electricity, construction.

I too like history & admire your recall of that second wave.  Its a shame isn’t it, in a way, that time does move on, and we have to update to the present day.  So hope you haven’t  overlooked that we are now on the fifth wave

Mind you, its not a bad thing to want freedom, when you say

“What I’m saying in Free Women, Free Men is that women can never be truly free until they let men too be free”.

Hmmm, but am still pondering what is freedom and what you mean by it.  You later say you love driving around in your car – its not one of those fancy ones is it?  You know those adored by women you don’t admire i.e. the ones with the maids you make reference too – lets just term them ‘the Sheryls’ & have done with it.  Just a tiny , tiny point Camille though, and forgive me for pointing it out in your tirade.  Its just that you do have a go at Foucault for not attributing his thoughts to someone else.  When you say “stand up, speak out, and refuse to be silenced”,  I politely and delicately refer to ‘the Sheryl’, who was saying same in ‘Lean In’ – surely.  And yes, her book might not speak to all women about themselves (don’t think she meant it to), but at least it shouted out a strong message.  The very same message I do believe you want to, and in fact do get a tad shouty about.

Moving on down the article, you make oh such a valid remark recognising the existence of women centers e.g. one at Yale University.  I presume it was set up for the purpose of research into women, a valiant effort no doubt to hear the voice and see the presence of women in the academic community. But then you go on to refer to the need for

       “a Men’s Center too—and Yale men should be free to carry on and carouse there and say whatever the hell they want to each other, without snoops outside the door ready to report them to the totalitarian sexual harassment office.”

Well you no doubt know such men & nice to hear about that my dear .  But not sure Yale or any other university wants to set up one of these centres.  For the sake of all our sensibilities , it just might be a bit too far & not sure what the research projects would look like.  Oh, and anyway, aren’t those centres already in existence?  Of course I overhead this as was outside the door at the time.  Do recall though someone called that man’s centre, ‘the locker room’ !

There you go, Camille so nice to chat & look forward to our next gossip about such matters.

Linzij 2017


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